question about the EULA - Guild Wars Forums

Lord Dagon · Feb 09, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

well yesterday my friend tuahgt me how to use a Macro. I looked throught the EULA today( at the time of this posting about 20mins ago) and i saw it was a bannable offense to use "bots". Now im using this macro to spam my tonics b/c its a right pain to do it manually. I dont plan on using it for anything else anytime soon so i want to know.. can i get banned( temporaily or permabanned) for using a MACRO.

Ok ty guys for answering asap for me and i look forward( kinda) to the answers.

TalanRoarer · Feb 09, 2010, 10:41 PM // 22:41

You're not supposted to... (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.)
If you use it for drink or sweet spamming, go somewhere you won't be reported like your GH.

If you use it for spamming tonics, not too sure... think I read somewhere that its ok to use them as long as you're at the pc. Someone with more knowledge would have to clarify though.

Lord Dagon · Feb 09, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

ok im at my pc( ive got nothing better to do). So Its ok? i mean to do a macro u have to do it at least once ( and btw i did do it in my GH lol).

bsoltan · Feb 09, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

The area between bot and macro is a lot greyer when you have to be at your machine to run it. If your macro just combines several key presses into one to make things quicker for you to just press 1 key instead of more then it isn't too bad an offence and you may very well get away with it.
If the macro is actually a bot and you can leave your computer clicking tonics all day by itself then it is a more serious issue.

Whatever you use you will be taking a risk doing so, you lessen the risk if you're in a position where you can't get reported by other players and are not impacting on other people's enjoyment of the game.
Whether the risk is worth it is up to you to decide, there are several posts from people on this form that have been using such macros for a long time and have had no problem.

Al Dente · Feb 09, 2010, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Whenin doubt, ask Gaile or Regina. On the official wiki quite a few people asked this, and the response was usually it's ok, but the moment you can walk away from your computer, the moment it can play the game for you, that's when you get banned.

That's my recollection on what has been said before.

MisterB · Feb 09, 2010, 11:01 PM // 23:01

ANet's rules are unclear, so it just comes down to what the support person(if you are reported or detected) feels like at the time. Any automation can result in a ban, but they don't seem to mind if you press a single key to execute a string of commands, like emotes, /stuck, or chat commands. The length of that string, or any automation or looping can be grounds for a ban.

Bob Slydell · Feb 09, 2010, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Macro that helps you at computer = fine.

Macro that helps you play the game while not at computer = not fine.

They look for "macros" based on logs of your server input for the game, not by scanning your computer. They refer to macros as 3rd party software..since it does the same thing.

So, with that.......use at your own risk.

Lord Dagon · Feb 10, 2010, 12:26 AM // 00:26

from how my friend exslpained it to me( im not tech savey only just got a comp that can handle internet about a yr ago) it boosts my clicks so i can get 3( sometimes 4) tonics in row. It also has a thing where i can set up a memory thing and like tell my mouse to double clcik my tonics and then change distircts for me. I like it but i mean i could technically go afk and let it do it for me( i dont b/c honeslty i think its cool) so tht part is bad.. so thats why i wanted to know. Based on what u guys are saying i have a half bad macro? i can go afk technically w/ it but also it can( not at the same time tho) boost my clicks whihc isnt bad. Well i think ill try and find gaile's talk page u guys mentioned and check it out ;p

ightgg · Feb 10, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

As long as it doesnt farm money, earn titles, or actually effect others players beyond their QQ feelings that they stupidly pressed all of what the macro is doing for you its fine. Dont worry about getting banned as it is not a bot. And clicking tonics and mapping for a title affects actual gameplay how? It effects the time not the process. Anet can not legally do anything to you that you could not directly dispute.
-Drama

MisterB · Feb 10, 2010, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

Anet can not legally do anything to you that you could not directly dispute.
-Drama

Yes, they can. ANet grants a license to use their service, but they also reserve the right to revoke it at any time for any reason.

Lord Dagon · Feb 10, 2010, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Yes, they can. ANet grants a license to use their service, but they also reserve the right to revoke it at any time for any reason.

yep i saw that when i was looking up the EULA so thats why im asking. i mean im just using it so i dont break the bone in the clicker finger by going though 2,000 tonics for my title ^^

Bob Slydell · Feb 10, 2010, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Dont Cause Drama

As long as it doesnt farm money, earn titles, or actually effect others players beyond their QQ feelings that they stupidly pressed all of what the macro is doing for you its fine. Dont worry about getting banned as it is not a bot. And clicking tonics and mapping for a title affects actual gameplay how? It effects the time not the process. Anet can not legally do anything to you that you could not directly dispute.
-Drama

Anet can permanently ban, strip and delete your account, say you did somehing to cause the ban and or completely deny it's original existence and brush you off as a phisher, and there would be nothing you could (legally) do. So no, they can legally do whatever they want to your stuff. You don't seem to understand the difference between bots and macros, also. And I'll explain...There isn't one. Using a bot or macro shows up on their logs as something being repetitively done over and over (it's NOT something they can detect running on your computer, there is no way of this happening) and that's more then enough evidence to close your account..when they see "botlike" activity, considering what they can do to innocent people as I mentioned in my opening statement to this post.

Any post asking about this is just going to be answered..."use at your own risk."

There is no straight or solid answer for this subject.

Can we have a /thread now?

Leohan · Feb 10, 2010, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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ANet grants a license to use their service, but they also reserve the right to revoke it at any time for any reason.

So they can suspend, ban, do maintenance or shutdown the servers for good without being sued. Let's face it Anet needs to cover themselves.
In the Guild Wars Legal statements there are a sentence here and there which basically say Anet can do whatever they want when they want.

Naming Policy:
ArenaNet reserves the right to reject any name it concludes, in its sole discretion, is indecent, obscene, or otherwise violates our naming policy or the Guild Wars User Agreement.

User Agreement:
Basically number 10 to 15 saying "Can't Touch This, Stop...Hammer Time"

Now to the point I'm trying to make Macro's are fine to use they are not bots.
A bot has Artificial Intelligence (A.I) that runs automated tasks, use waypoint files and exploit the game.
A Macro is just a script of a few key strokes that automate a redundant task.

If NCsoft/Anet wanted to be mean they could say the macro program is third party, but it's not like Texmod where it attaches it's self and extracts files form the gw.dat. Texture Modification is perfectly fine according to Anet.

Macro's are perfectly fine to use in any game. I don't know any online game where macro's are bannable. I'm sure someone out there does but, Macro's are fine in GW as long as your not playing in a live Tournament.

Edit: What Bob Slydell said above me is pretty much just that. Well said

Elephantaliste · Feb 10, 2010, 05:41 AM // 05:41

you can consider a bot as a long macro and inversely

now, what about a macro used for a sequence of key stroke for an optimized timed knock-lock, for example.

should it be acceptable.. hard to tell in general
everyone doesn't have same acceptance, and that's why asking for ncsoft agreement is necessary...

ightgg · Feb 10, 2010, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

You don't seem to understand the difference between bots and macros, also. And I'll explain...There isn't one. Using a bot or macro shows up on their logs as something being repetitively done over and over (it's NOT something they can detect running on your computer, there is no way of this happening) and that's more then enough evidence to close your account..when they see "botlike" activity, considering what they can do to innocent people as I mentioned in my opening statement to this post.

Can we have a /thread now?

Alright time to teach you a little bit about scripting. A macro is defined here.
Macro (computer science), a set of instructions that is represented in an abbreviated format.
A bot can be programmed similarily to a macro, although it can be manipulated in a manner to make it variate. So a macro can do say 5 different functions. While a bot could be set up to do 20 different functions. A macro would do the functions 1,2,3,4,5. A bot can be set up to do 1, then randomly choose another like 5, then 10, then 2 so on so forth. Making it untraceable to Anets very weak botting filters. A Bot in turn is almost impossible to ban as it variates, the same way the human brain constantly changes mental subjects but also leads you to follow patterns.
To whoever decided they could understand Anets legal contracts and such, read up. If they ban your account and can not produce substantial evidence to why they have taken such action (which in most cases they cant, i have never seen a case where they would actually fight to prove their own game was flawed to where it could be easily botted) they are intitled to refund your initial purchase price or replace your account with an equally priced alternative. This is where they get what they wanted either way. If a new account is given it is just that, a brand new account. Meaning whatever you botted for whether it be gold or items or titles are gone. So in the end yes the succeed and yes your account gets terminated if you fail at scripting and use a weak macro. But having a clicker script that doesnt effect anyone but yourself is almost as harmless as pressing R to autorun. Its a no brainer, and if you think youll get banned then just dont do it. No reason to be scared of Anets big banhammer i mean come on, they advertised Guildwarsguru.com on their Manuscripts inside the guildwars game packaging. Yet Gwguru got hacked by a weak text document hack. They stole 1000s of game accounts thanks to the terrible moderation of a supposed ELITE FANSITE. Protect yourself and dont worry about Anet as they have little spare time and money to put into this seemingly dying game.
-Drama

Lord Dagon · Feb 10, 2010, 05:54 PM // 17:54

ok t all for answering i doubt ill be using the macro anymre( got through all my tonic stacks and now i can say i got my first maxed title WOOT ^_^!).

but i relaize thanks to drama( and the other ppl that responded that im too lazy to scrool up and look at) that you can use it at your own risk but really if ur in a deserted town in the game( even deserted in the american servers) and just zone in and out i see no problem w/ that.

So w/ that could the Mods take us out? * starts playing the titanic's sinking music*

Feb 09, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04	#1
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	question about the EULA well yesterday my friend tuahgt me how to use a Macro. I looked throught the EULA today( at the time of this posting about 20mins ago) and i saw it was a bannable offense to use "bots". Now im using this macro to spam my tonics b/c its a right pain to do it manually. I dont plan on using it for anything else anytime soon so i want to know.. can i get banned( temporaily or permabanned) for using a MACRO. Ok ty guys for answering asap for me and i look forward( kinda) to the answers.

Feb 10, 2010, 05:41 AM // 05:41	#14
Elephantaliste Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Guild: adblockplus.or	you can consider a bot as a long macro and inversely now, what about a macro used for a sequence of key stroke for an optimized timed knock-lock, for example. should it be acceptable.. hard to tell in general everyone doesn't have same acceptance, and that's why asking for ncsoft agreement is necessary... Last edited by Elephantaliste; Feb 10, 2010 at 05:44 AM // 05:44..

Feb 09, 2010, 10:41 PM // 22:41	#2
TalanRoarer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Manchester, England Guild: Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns] Profession: N/A	You're not supposted to... (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't.) If you use it for drink or sweet spamming, go somewhere you won't be reported like your GH. If you use it for spamming tonics, not too sure... think I read somewhere that its ok to use them as long as you're at the pc. Someone with more knowledge would have to clarify though.

Feb 09, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49	#3
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	ok im at my pc( ive got nothing better to do). So Its ok? i mean to do a macro u have to do it at least once ( and btw i did do it in my GH lol).

Feb 09, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52	#4
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	The area between bot and macro is a lot greyer when you have to be at your machine to run it. If your macro just combines several key presses into one to make things quicker for you to just press 1 key instead of more then it isn't too bad an offence and you may very well get away with it. If the macro is actually a bot and you can leave your computer clicking tonics all day by itself then it is a more serious issue. Whatever you use you will be taking a risk doing so, you lessen the risk if you're in a position where you can't get reported by other players and are not impacting on other people's enjoyment of the game. Whether the risk is worth it is up to you to decide, there are several posts from people on this form that have been using such macros for a long time and have had no problem.

Feb 09, 2010, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#5
Al Dente Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2008 Guild: Ember Power Victory [EMP] Profession: E/	Whenin doubt, ask Gaile or Regina. On the official wiki quite a few people asked this, and the response was usually it's ok, but the moment you can walk away from your computer, the moment it can play the game for you, that's when you get banned. That's my recollection on what has been said before.

Feb 09, 2010, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#6
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	ANet's rules are unclear, so it just comes down to what the support person(if you are reported or detected) feels like at the time. Any automation can result in a ban, but they don't seem to mind if you press a single key to execute a string of commands, like emotes, /stuck, or chat commands. The length of that string, or any automation or looping can be grounds for a ban.

Feb 09, 2010, 11:03 PM // 23:03	#7
Bob Slydell Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	Macro that helps you at computer = fine. Macro that helps you play the game while not at computer = not fine. They look for "macros" based on logs of your server input for the game, not by scanning your computer. They refer to macros as 3rd party software..since it does the same thing. So, with that.......use at your own risk.

Feb 10, 2010, 12:26 AM // 00:26	#8
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	from how my friend exslpained it to me( im not tech savey only just got a comp that can handle internet about a yr ago) it boosts my clicks so i can get 3( sometimes 4) tonics in row. It also has a thing where i can set up a memory thing and like tell my mouse to double clcik my tonics and then change distircts for me. I like it but i mean i could technically go afk and let it do it for me( i dont b/c honeslty i think its cool) so tht part is bad.. so thats why i wanted to know. Based on what u guys are saying i have a half bad macro? i can go afk technically w/ it but also it can( not at the same time tho) boost my clicks whihc isnt bad. Well i think ill try and find gaile's talk page u guys mentioned and check it out ;p

Feb 10, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37	#9
ightgg Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Profession: Rt/	As long as it doesnt farm money, earn titles, or actually effect others players beyond their QQ feelings that they stupidly pressed all of what the macro is doing for you its fine. Dont worry about getting banned as it is not a bot. And clicking tonics and mapping for a title affects actual gameplay how? It effects the time not the process. Anet can not legally do anything to you that you could not directly dispute. -Drama

Feb 10, 2010, 05:54 PM // 17:54	#16
Lord Dagon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Inside the Oblivion Gate Guild: The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE] Profession: E/Me	ok t all for answering i doubt ill be using the macro anymre( got through all my tonic stacks and now i can say i got my first maxed title WOOT ^_^!). but i relaize thanks to drama( and the other ppl that responded that im too lazy to scrool up and look at) that you can use it at your own risk but really if ur in a deserted town in the game( even deserted in the american servers) and just zone in and out i see no problem w/ that. So w/ that could the Mods take us out? * starts playing the titanic's sinking music*